At the beginning of class, our
first group discussion was to introduce ourselves and state why we were interested
in taking this course. For many, the interest laid in infinity and what
connections it had in both mathematics and art. Next, the most basic question
was asked; “what is infinity?” Everyone had an opinion. We could all agree the
infinity was something large scale, something massive, that doesn't have an
end. When asked for examples of infinity the universe was brought up. This
seemed logical at first, yet we were stumped. Our critical thinking skills
began to take place as everyone pondered at this question. Seeing our confusion,
Professor Hamman asked us what defined something finite. Surely, if we can determine what makes
something finite, then we must be able to determine what is infinite! As a
class, we began throwing out examples of things finite: Oil, an inch, life,
roads. What makes these things finite? We determined that if something has an
end, it must be finite. Therefore, something that does not have an end must be
infinite. We began to look back at the universe, as we debated whether this is
really an example of something infinite or not. Part of the class argued yes,
while others disagreed. After much debate, it was decided that if you believed
in the big bang theory, then all the matter in the universe is the same as it
has always been, just more widespread. This meant that the universe wasn't
infinite after all. However, this is only true if you believe in the big bang
theory, thus; your perception plays a part in what’s infinite or not. Could
something be infinite? What about the number of books that could be written? We
examined this notion. We found that if you wrote a book with one letter, or two
letters, or three or four, the number could go on indefinitely creating an
infinite library. We began to look at things differently. We thought of infinity
as something large, but what about something small? Can the space between two
items be divided infinity? One half of an inch is a half inch. Half of a half
inch is a quarter inch and so forth. This theory shows that space can divide infinitely.
Have we discovered what infinity is? Or are we just as lost as we were?
By the
end of class I think we all understood why the concept of infinity could drive
a person crazy. Professor Carter introduced us to John Stuart Mill, a musician
who believed that music was finite and went into depression. So if the idea of infinity
will drive you mad, and finite make you sad, I ask us as a class; what have we
gotten ourselves into? Although our class extended past our release time, we
still only seemed to scratch the surface.
Yes Jon. Our perception plays a part in determining what is infinite or not. As debated in class, the universe is finite if we believe in the big bang theory. But our perception of the universe is infinite and changes with time and experience. So our mind is infinite.Well, I'm ready to unravel the mystery of this topic and I'm so glad I'm in this class.
ReplyDeleteMuagba,
DeleteI like how you say that our mind is infinite. It makes me wonder, if our mind is infinite, is our perception also infinite? Maybe our perception helps us define what is finite or not, but our perception itself is infinite for that it cannot be measured. Which brings up another question, are our thoughts infinite or finite?
Sincerely,
Jon MacPhee.
Hi Everyone,
ReplyDeleteI thought determining infinity would be so much easier. I imagined the universe being infinite, but again it is finite for someone who believe in the Big Bang Theory. Therefore, I was wondering if it would be possible to describe infinity regardless of ones' perception. As I was looking for examples to describe infinity I kept thinking in terms of cycles. However, these cycles can go on forever only if time is infinite as well. Therefore, I wanted to ask you guys,do you think time is infinite? Is it possible or not?
Young,
DeleteMy personal definition of infinity is something that never ends-knows no limits. I am a bit confused on what you mean by cycles. Is it that something that resets? or is it something that changes over time? Please elaborate. Remember, in class we discussed that if something can be measured it is finite, and even if a finite number is to double, triple, etc, it is still finite. I think that time is also based on perception. I have heard arguments that time doesn't exist and is a human invention or that time is finite. I personally would argue that time is infinite and that it would never end.
Sincerely,
Jon MacPhee.
HI Jon,
DeleteBy "cycles" I mean processes, which continuously reset. For example evolution, which I think can go on infinitely, as long as time is infinite. Over time the environment changes and the species living (we would have to agree on the what is living; is it something that has metabolism, the capacity to grow, maintain homeostasis, reproduce?) within that environment have to adopt to those changes in order to survive.
I am not sure if time is infinite or not. I have a few ideas how we could approach it. And again, there probably wont be a right or a wrong answers, because I agree it is based on our perception.
John,
ReplyDeleteYou are right, Tuesday's class increased my interest in this course as well as my confusion in understanding Infinity.
So far the Big Bang theory explains the creation of the universe and the expansion of the space. But can we say whether the expansion of the space is finite or infinite? How far will stars continue to move from one another? And what was there before space and the Big Bang happened?
Ms. Mohammad,
DeleteIn my opinion the expansion of space is based on perception. If you believe one theory over another your thoughts of the universe will vary. You have some very good questions, let's explore them next class.
Sincerely,
Jon MacPhee.
Before this first class, I perceived many things as being infinite, like the universe and music. This class made me aware of what finite or infinite could really be. Yet, I feel there are a lot of things that need to be answered and understood about what is infinite and finite. Jon, you are right about scratching the surface of this class. The idea of the infinite or finite can make you mad or sad, but in the end, perception will definitely play a huge role in how you feel about these ideas. We all have questions that need to be discussed to get a deeper understanding of what infinity really is.
ReplyDeleteMr Esmeralda,
DeleteIt appears we both have many questions yet to be answered. With some critical thinking and logic, I am confident that our understanding of infinity will be broadened.
Sincerely,
Jon MacPhee.
Simply because of perception, it is why I choose to kindly disagree. I still feel that space and universe is infinite. Yes, from one planet to the next, or even one galaxy to the next, that does have a finite measurement; but, when you think about it, we are not sure if space just keeps going or not. If an object is thrown in space and hopefully does not hit anything, are we saying that space just stops and that object falls off the grid?
ReplyDeleteMr. Caballero,
DeleteI do agree with what you have to say. As humans we do not know for sure if space keeps going or not. Again, I agree that from planet to planet there is a defined distance. This is where perception plays it's role. You think one way or another. I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer because we cannot be sure which answer is true. You make a good point when you ask what would happen if we sent an object to the edge of the universe. I encourage you to bring it up in our next class.
Sincerely,
Jon MacPhee.
Jon,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the write-up. I feel partly responsible for playing the instigator in the big bang debate, but I feel that it is central to the argument of infinity or not.
I still struggle with whether or not the existence of infinity applies to some or all things. Even with the example of the big bang theory, do we count space as being infinity or is it limited and as a result, do we count the potential for expansion?
I love quoting this Donald Rumsfeld speech given on "known unknowns" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk
With that in mind, do we account for "known unknowns" in infinity, and if so... how?